Carl Tyler's Blog

1 - yeah, i consider cms watch =cms ignore

2 - Thanks - in touch with our people

3 - IBM Lotus Connections is the Sharepoint competitor nowadays.

4 - Not sure if it should be PR or Legal - LOL

5 - Somebody's been listing to the Microsoft cool-aid too long...

6 - Sounds so....2005.

7 - Newer platforms nowadays usually mean more crappy platforms. It applies for Windows, Domino, Oracle, and many others.
If you want real quality, you have to go back to the times when IT was still ruled by skillfull and trained people. The last good Domino was 7, everything after that was crap. MySQL was the last good relational database, although it still seems to exist, despite of Oracle's mayhem. Windows XP was the last good Windows, and probably will stay so until forever.

8 - Newer platforms nowadays usually mean more crappy platforms. It applies for Windows, Domino, Oracle, and many others.<br />If you want real quality, you have to go back to the times when IT was still ruled by skillfull and trained people. The last good Domino was 7, everything after that was crap. MySQL was the last good relational database, although it still seems to exist, despite of Oracle's mayhem. Windows XP was the last good Windows, and probably will stay so until forever.

9 - I'm sort of surprised that English native speakers would take "...the fact that..." so literal, instead of just as a figure of speech.

Especially considering the full phrase, which reads "...and rather than focus on [..] the fact that...," which implies it's not what the post is about, and it's not going to discuss that (which implies it's not a fact...).

Of course, a cynic would think "why latch on to that minute detail and start a flame war based on that unless...?", but I'll blame my poor wording. I'll make sure to phrase it better next time.

Fwiw, I used to be Notes/Domino admin and developer for a large implementation and mostly liked it. Hence the deja vu I have with SharePoint, and I was musing about the pros and cons of either as a dev platform and trying to elicit some thoughts on that.

So updates on the state of the art in Domino 8.5 are welcome. But don't forget that not everybody is a regular on either Kool Aid or Flavor Aid ;)

10 - "surprised that English native speakers would take "...the fact that..." so literal, instead of just as a figure of speech."

You don't want people to think of the word fact as a literal term? Damn, you're even better than OJ's lawyer.

11 - @9 Perhaps your "fact" was being used as a form of sarcasm, but typically when someone says fact in a not so matter of fact way, they typically mean it to be taken as a fact. When is a fact not a fact, probably when sex isn't sex. In other words, when people are trying wheedle out of something they know they got wrong.

I didn't start a flame war, you posted the article with the mistake, I pointed out your mistake in the comments section of your article. I posted a comment here suggesting that IBM PR connect with you, to correct your misunderstanding.

I did not defend Domino, I merely pointed out you had some inaccuracies. Anybody that reads this blog, is likely to find that I very rarely drink the IBM koolaid.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I apologise for anyone that responds to your comments making personal insults, I don't really find they help matters.

12 - I Like it (or the fact that IBM is slowly phasing out Domino in favor of newer platforms). I'm glad my son had a good education. As you say a fact is a fact. As it states in the English dictionary :- fact n. something known to have happened or to be true or to exist. Don't know where Adriaan was taught English.

13 - Well, just to make sure it's completely obvious I didn't intend it that way, it's now deleted from the post. (Well, not deleted, but stricken through, since for the sake of transparency, you should still be able to read my mistake.) More thoughts on it here: { Link }

And the "flame war" comment was directed at the anonymous comments, not at you Carl. I can take the criticism (used to it, coming from all sides) but some of what was written was just so childish. (Abbreviating Microsoft to M$? Seriously? Who would want to sound like a 15-year old 1337 h4x0r, even if it's anonymous?)

Anyway, hidden in between that are some interesting things for me to look into. If anyone happens to have a VM lying around with some state-of-the-art recent Domino examples, I'd love to have one to poke around in a bit. :)

14 - As a 'Lotus' Admin I do find it a pain in the butt that the 'Lotus' brand that in my head had been tied so tightly to Domino and Notes is being co-opted left right and center for other products. And those products are not based on the Domino platform, but seem to be more likely to be based on Websphere (e.g. Sametime Gateway, Sametime 8.5, Connections, 50% of Quickr...)


If you wanted to, you could say that IBM is moving to 'other' platforms although not necessarily newer...

I like my Domino servers and so far I don't like Websphere bloatage.